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April 2009
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Ideas about "things"

Everyone has ideas about "things".

Sometimes these ideas are facts, such as: 1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples. We can easily see this by taking one apple from Johhny and another from Suzie (if either resists beat them up and tell them it is for science damnnit!). We can then look and see that we have two apples.

Some of the ideas we have are based on facts such as: 1 hippopotumus + 1 hippopotumus = 2 hippopotumus. No matter how much we beatup Johhny and Suzie, they have no hippos to give us. But based on what we know about apples and other things we formulate an idea about the addition of hippos.

Sometimes our extensions are wrong: 1 litre of alchohol plus one litre of water = 2 litres of solution. No need to beat up either Johhny or Suzie (unless you are feeling mean) tap water and rubbing alchohol will do. Fill up a nice fairly accruate measuring device and you will find out you have less than 2 litres. Depending on the tempurature alot less.

So we learn these assumptions can be proven wrong. No big deal we still make lots of assumptions. Someone one said "People think, because they don't know". I think it is a pretty cool quote. Sometimes we even find out what we thought was fact is even wrong.

I like to think of 'opinions' as things that we either think we know or have come to some conclusions about, or even are just wild guesses. However one requirement about an 'opinion' in my opinion is that you can be swayed from an opinion with by being presented with fact or logic. When you have an 'idea' that you cannot be swayed on, I use the word 'faith'. People have 'faith' in God, people have 'faith' in the aftelife. People have 'faith' that that homosexuality leads to child moslestation and devil worship. Granted you can lose faith, but at some point you totally beleive you cannot be swayed.

So think of what you consider an opinion, can you be swayed? Or perhaps it is really your faith. What do you have faith in?
George Bush is evil and will kill US Soldiers so his cronies will get wealhier?
Osma Bin Laden will kill us all next year?
Iraq has nuecluar capabilities and will nuke us first chance?

I try not to have faith in such things, just strong opinions.

Comments
I'm a pushover

I can pretty much always be swayed. Thing is.. I am rarely of the position to beleive that my view of reality is the only one.
And the older I get, the more confident I am that I don't really know jack shit.
What I have faith in: very little.
what I have opinions about: just about everything!
What I believe are facts: well there are some that I accept but time constantly proves that facts are fluid changeable things.
Just look at how they keep changing the reality of what is considered healthy for us to eat?
and the reality of what is good for our health changes as our environment changes. Stuff like air and water used to be considered mostly safe. Now they are considered largely suspect.

Even facts about what I think is true about myself changes.
How I define 'who I am' changes too.

and hey, I dint' know that nifty fact about mixing water and alcohol. !!! I guess I should have enrolled in a chemistry class someewhere along the way.. huh?

Re: I'm a pushover

How refreshing to hear that someone else recognizes the
constant flux, the ongoing change in all around us and in us
as well.
Little do people know, or perhaps I should say, how
fleetingly they stay in the awareness of,....the premise that
in all likelyhood, [and hopefully] that in 10 years, or 20 years,
or even perhaps next week [taking into account an epiphany [sp?]
or life changing experience/s] they may hold many different,
'beliefs', and/or 'opinions' than they do at 'present'.
After many years of pondering and studying and after an
especially intense period of philosophical discussions, it dawned
on me that perhaps instead of being *entirely* 'seekers after
Truth or truth, we might be better served by examining
"The Nature of Truth" itself. The deep study of Perception;
of Consciousness can reveal many things about 'themselves'
perhaps even tearing away some of the facades, masks, and
veils that 'Truth' wears and perhaps exposing some cracks;
some Openings, that we were heretofor unaware of.
I wrote several essays along these lines as well as some
poems one of which was entitled "Blessed are the Thieves
and Vandals", after the fashion of Kahlil Gibran.
Some of the lines were,
"Blessed are the Thieves who rip away the Masks,
"Blessed are the Vandals who rent the Veils."
_Challon Tsohar
away the mask

Re: Ideas about things

Well said, my friend.
I had once written, "We know almost nothing as compared
to what must be 'out there' to be known, and much of what
we *think* we 'know' is wrong!" ;-)
I had used as an example, "If we placed the thinnest piece
of rice paper on the ground next to the tallest skyscraper in
the world, with the paper representing the sum of all humankind's
knowledge and the skyscraper representing all the knowledge
that might be known in all the 'ominverse', and if we crossed out
significant amounts of what was listed on the rice paper as
"wrong" and/or partially wrong, we might get some inkling as
to the infantile state of our 'knowledge'."
And I might have added: "as well as some insight into our
collective 'wisdom' into the bargain!" ....but I didn't *think* of
it at the 'time'! ;-