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April 2009
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Grizzly Weinstein [userpic]
Ralph is a Total Asshole

Marty Kaplan had this to say about Ralph Nader
It's hard to believe, I know, but there is now an entire generation of 20- and 30-something Americans who don't know that Ralph Nader wasn't always a total a**hole

Ralph goes out of his way to prove this:

[Stolen from Doonesbury's Say What]

"His choice, basically, is whether he's going to be Uncle Sam for the people of this country, or Uncle Tom for the giant corporations."
-- Ralph Nader on Obama, on election night

"What was that?...Are you kidding me?...I just wonder if in hindsight you wish you'd used a phrase other than 'Uncle Tom'."
-- Fox News' Shepard Smith, following up the next day

"Not at all."
-- Nader

Standing by a statement that has overtones of racism when even FOX News gives you a chance to correct it? Wow, definition of 'ASSHOLE'!
Makes me not want to wear a seatbelt.

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wow.

Fox

Yeah Fox is being interesting right now. Exposing Palin's ignorance on Africa/NAFTA and such.

I wonder of they are planning on remaking themselves? Did Roger Ailes die recently?

Re: Fox

Fox, the conservatives, have to blame the loss on someone.

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but considering what I've read about his views on Israel... He may wrap himself in the trappings of a Sensitive New Age Guy, but scratch the surface and he's a bigot, plain and simple.

of course those who decry israel's actions are anti-semites. http://www.counterpunch.org/nader10162004.html

my only question is when *can* we openly debate the policies of israel, at least as much as they are debated within israel? why must it be taboo for americans to merely broach the subject?

if you said he made anti-semitic remarks, fine. but no, he stands accused of having "views on israel." anyone who truly cares about human rights ought to have "views" on that state, too, as do many liberal jewish folk, both inside and outside israel.

My grandmother and her family escaped Germany a matter of weeks before their whole neighborhood got rounded up and put on a train. I'm not likely to have a favorable opinion of anybody who describes the mere existence of the Israeli state as the illegal occupation of Palestine. Sorry. Nader's a douche.

Of course not

of course those who decry israel's actions are anti-semites

Of course not, but neither is the contrary true - 'No criticism of Israel is Anti-Semitic'. - Although I think I hear this defense of Anti-Semitic leaning remarks as often as I hear the claim of 'Anti-Semite' for ones that are innocent of bias.

I don't think I can put Ralph in the camp of innocence however. What Ralph thinks of Jews, I do not know - I am not sure he even knows. But statements claiming Israel as the puppet master of the US Government only serve to incite age old Anti-Semitic beliefs that the Jews control the world governments. Perhaps that was not his intent, and sometimes the historical implied meanings of statements ARE from ignorance of the implication but also they can be the product of a hateful mind, conscious or not.

I really think his statements about Israel, the obviously conscious 'Uncle Tom' statement, and other racially charged statements Nader made during this election cycle really do show a hateful and bigoted mind.

I never read the story when I was in school. I wonder if Ralph did, or has just pain forgotten what it really means.